Re: Re: New APP for satellite observing

From: Carlos Bella (carlos.apodman@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Sep 03 2013 - 22:56:38 UTC

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    Some friends amateur astronomers not only liked the software but they
    intend to use it for timing of lunar and stellar occultations, in fact it
    is perfect for this !
    
    
    2013/9/3 Denise Moser <dennyzen@gmail.com>
    
    > Love it.  Easy to use.  And your timing sure beats the accuracy of any
    > other method I am using.
    >
    > This probably is too simple for experienced and very accurate observers,
    > but it would be great if I could:  ahead of time place a NAME, either the
    >  number or a name of the satellite I am planning to pick upsatellite name,
    > norad number, or some other index I choose.  That way I know on either the
    > saved file or the shared info which set of observations is which.  Once
    > could either do that as one saves it or before hand while planning:  that
    > might take some saving in advance and then retrieving the file before you
    > use it.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Carlos Bella <carlos.apodman@gmail.com>wrote:
    >
    >> Instaled and testing, thanks by the initiative Coberllini
    >>
    >> Regards
    >> Carlos Bella
    >> **
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> 2013/9/3 satrack@libero.it <satrack@libero.it>
    >>
    >> > Hi George,
    >> >
    >> > many thanks for your test and suggestions. In the next release I will
    >> show
    >> > more
    >> > details on the correction factor. I will also improve its determination
    >> as
    >> > suggested.
    >> > (Initially, the program was programmed to use the top 1 synch, but it
    >> was
    >> > not
    >> > useful during tests when I wanted to see the result of each synch).
    >> >
    >> > The shown Tacc is equal to the round trip time (RTT) divided by 2. The
    >> time
    >> > error is computed as the difference between the time of the request
    >> +RTT/2
    >> > and
    >> > the server time. Therefore, in your example it would be indeed 1.8 s.
    >> >
    >> > The mean Tacc from my location is of about 80 ms. Unfortunately, one of
    >> the
    >> > main
    >> > problems with mobile phones is the network latency. I partially solved
    >> this
    >> > problem
    >> > engaging the network with a short data transfer during which I perform
    >> > the time synchronization. Without this trick the situation would be even
    >> > worse,
    >> > with RTTs even larger than 0.5 s.
    >> >
    >> > I introduced the item "exit" in the menu since I decided to capture the
    >> > "back"
    >> > key
    >> > as input for the stopwatch. This menu item should terminate the
    >> > application.
    >> >
    >> > It would be interesting if someone could test the time deviation with
    >> > respect
    >> > to
    >> > a reference clock.
    >> >
    >> > Regards,
    >> > Simone
    >> >
    >> > >
    >> > >Very Nice!
    >> > >
    >> > >1) I love the way I can press up volume, down volume, or back button
    >> and
    >> > get
    >> > >3 different time indicators so later I know which one was which.  One
    >> can
    >> > >use this to help remember which event is which - for example press the
    >> vol
    >> > >up button when the sat is closest to a known and planned-for bright
    >> star
    >> > and
    >> > >the vol down button when the sat is closest to an unknown fainter star.
    >> > >2) I love that I can jump into timing an event, then later sync up
    >> several
    >> > >times until I get a higher accuracy.  Each time I sync all the times
    >> > adjust
    >> > >slightly to the latest syncing.
    >> > >3) Unfortunately the highest accuracy I was able to get with about 30
    >> > >attempts was "Tacc < 90ms".  This is according to the program (not
    >> tested
    >> > >against something more accurate).
    >> > >4) It would be nice to display the correction factor you are using.
    >>  The
    >> > >correction factor for my phone was about 1 second.
    >> > >5) It would be nice to be able to take an average of the top 3 sync
    >> events
    >> > >or the top 1 sync event and not update the times displayed unless the
    >> > latest
    >> > >sync event had a "Tacc" better than any previous ones.
    >> > >6) I assume Tacc is the same as the round trip network time.  Do you
    >> use
    >> > >this information in the syncing?  In other words if the phone says it
    >> is
    >> > 1.0
    >> > >seconds after the hour and the NTP server says it is 3.0 seconds after
    >> the
    >> > >hour and the round trip delay was 0.4 seconds, do you use a correction
    >> > >factor of 2.0 seconds or a correction factor of 1.8 seconds? (this
    >> assumes
    >> > >the .4 sec delay was equal on both paths or .2 seconds each way).
    >> > >7) The "exit application" doesn't seem to work but I'm not sure what
    >> its
    >> > >purpose is anyway.  I would just get rid of it.
    >> > >
    >> > >- George Roberts
    >> > >http://gr5.org
    >> > >
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