Re: CZ-4C DEB 36417 Flares while in shadow - is this common ?

From: joseph daniel (station969@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Sep 14 2012 - 00:57:04 UTC

  • Next message: George Herbert: "Re: CZ-4C DEB 36417 Flares while in shadow - is this common ?"

    Hi Bjorn :
    
    Thanks for your reply .( Link to a .gif below )
    
    http://www.studiodynamics.net/moon/cz_4c_deb.gif
    
    > > I spotted it in an area that was still (supposedly) in shadow ...
    
    > ...at the altitude of this fragment - not the area itself.
    
    Understood .
    
    
    > >  The best-guess , for me , might be a UNID perhaps , that may have an odd , maybe deep
    > > orbit ...
    
    > This would be most likely! SkyMap also reports this piece in shadow at
    > 1613 km range, thirty other objects within +-8 min and 5 deg are closer.
    > The closest ones sunlit in the area within +-8 min are at ~1700 km, some
    > debris objects entering shadow about ten degrees left .
    
    Hmmm . Well , Satflare does show two SL-6 R/B (2) (NORAD 17081 & 21199) that are right there
    at that time, not in shadow , and not moving very quickly like CZ-4C DEB was . However ,
    they are both on the other side of Capella , and for quite a long time .
    
    http://www.studiodynamics.net/moon/cz_4c_deb.gif
    
    
    CZ-4C DEB is absolute perfect position relative to the stars I used to locate it
    but unless it's orbit has been altered , or the SL-6 R/B's orbit has been altered
    then I guess we are looking at a UNID ?
    
    So , should I do an FPAS for a UNID ? I'm guessing  ,... yes .
    
    
    > >  However, regarding your last question, the space-track (NORAD) common names are not
    > > unique.
    > > While in-tact satellites have unique names, rocket bodies and debris do not.  The rocket
    > > bodies are named by class (CZ-4C is a designation for a Chinese Long
    > > March 4C).  Debris is
    > > named after the source body name with deb appended.  For the case of
    > > rocket bodies, it's therefore possible for debris from different sources to have the
    > > same common name.  The international designation can tell you which objects are
    > > associated with the same launch.
    
    > Well, not only DEBris from rocket bodies - the rockets themselves exist in multiples.
    > There are six CZ-4C R/B, and e.g. 429 SL-8 R/B in the full catalog (295 still in orbit).
    > Also DEBris from COSMOS 2251, IRIDIUM 33, FENGYUN 1C (these are the most notable, many
    > other satellites have one to dozens of debris).
    > /Björn
    
    Thanks Bjorn . I had no idea .
    Cheers ,
    gc
    
    
     		 	   		  
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