RE: Beautiful ISS/Shuttle

From: CmdrJaycee@aol.com
Date: Mon Sep 18 2000 - 09:11:42 PDT

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    Reading the comments from everyone in the Seesat-Digest that just arrived, it 
    sounds like the pass I saw may have been the brightest so far.  I estimated 
    Atlantis
    at about magnitude -1 (or slightly better), with the ISS trailing behind 
    shining at least as bright as Sirius (-1.7) -- and we had a lot of high, thin 
    clouds.
    
    Well, I guess as the ISS grows, this was bound to happen sooner or later -- 
    trying to tell the station from the orbiter by brightness would harder and 
    harder, and sure enough, here we have so many people coming up with different 
    opinions.
    
    [Sadly, my cable tv provider, in the course of "upgrading service in my 
    area," {HA!} disconnected my service entirely.  A quick check of NASA TV 
    would have solved this mystery.  Great timing, Comcast.]
    
    But I have to say, using the predicted TLEs NASA provides on their Real Time 
    Data web pages, the same TLEs which I got on Thursday, and which I posted 
    here on Seesat on Friday, I think NASA's predicted TLEs were vindicated.  
    While those TLEs were predicting a 6 degree (6 second) gap at maximum 
    elevation, and most people here who observed their pass this morning seem to 
    be saying they gap was 4 our 5 degrees, I just read a news report that the 
    undocking had been delayed slightly due to computer problems.  That might 
    explain why they weren't 6 degrees apart yet.  All things considered, 
    reboosts, late undocking, NASA's predicted TLE's came pretty darned close.
    
    By the way, someone mentioned that Heavens-Above had shown the ISS leading.  
    I had checked the TLE it was using for Atlantis earlier this morning and 
    found its epoch date was 24 hours old, meaning it was valid for a time when 
    the spacecraft were still docked.  I'm confused how that TLE could have been 
    used for Atlantis's orbit AFTER undocking?  I could see doing that for the 
    ISS, but it's the shuttle that changes orbit after undocking.  I wonder if 
    they got them mixed up?
    
    Jim Cook
    Germantown, MD
    39.2N, 77.3W
    
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