Hi Richard. The satellite launches are probably invisible from Arizona because the vehicles fly more or less parrallel to the earth and slowly gain altitude as they head southward. Ballistic missile launches are a different story because they fly a steep, high arc and reach 400 or 500 miles (this was the type of launch seen in Arizona on 97 JUN 24 03:40 UTC). By the way, there's a photo of the JUN 24 launch on my web page (I was 2 miles away). The URL is http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rawhide_home_page The Vandenberg launch schedule is also posted on my web page. Regards, Brian Webb