Rainer Kresken mentioned being the possibility of seeing GEOSATs just prior to shadow entry at certain times of the year. I just came in from seeing about six (6) with binoculars under the conditions he mentioned. I am at latitude 38.9478 N and observed from 0200-0324 UT on 6 Oct 98. I need to determine which satellites I saw along with a possible geosynch flasher. Details to follow. Looked at Superbird starting at 0326 UT and it was already in the post phase shift mode. Ron Lee