Hi! Since most of you Seesaters live in northern latidudes, I repost this message, hoping that some of you might have a chance to see flares of operational, tree-axis stabilized geostationary satellites. (If they really occure). Dear SeeSaters In April, Paulo Cacella and Alcir Carra from Brazil reported seeing a group of satellites without optical aid that turned out to be the cluster of Hotbird geostationary direct tv satellites. I found this quite remarkable and tried to figure out how this could be. I think that such flares of OPERATIONAL three-axis stabilised geostationary satellites should be visible at any given location during a couple of days around the equinoxes. This phenomenon should be limited to satellites that are not higher than about 20 to 25 degrees above the observer's horizon DURING PENUMBRAL ECLIPSE. Since the geostationary autumn eclipse season starts today, I want to ask you to look for such flares. I am working on a prediction program is which currently only based on guessing and assumptions and is not yet ready to be published (maybe spring equinox). For this purpose, your observations would be highly appreciated. The huge solar arrays (40 or 50 square meters is a typical value) act than as a point mirror and project a inverted image of the partially eclipsed sun on to the surface of the earth and they can be seen flaring to maybe mag +2 (flashes from tumbling satellites of this class like Superbird A or TDF-1 get that bright). The season for such flares just started today (01/09/99). The belt of visibility moves north as the sun moves southwards in the sky and the optimum dates should be the following: latitude optimum date -80 01/09 -60 04/09 -40 09/09 -20 15/09 0 23/09 +20 30/09 +40 07/10 +60 12/10 +80 15/10 The flares should occur during shadow entry shortly after sunset and during shadow exit shortly before sunrise. For planning observations, I propose the following procedure for observation attempts: - Get a compilation file with tles of geostationary satellites, e.g. from OIG - Identify ANY operational satellite (small drift and inclination ) that is close to the eastern horizon (evening) or western horizon (morning) - use a prediction program (I use good old Traksat) to find eclipse start (evening) or end times (morning) and the associated position of the satellites at that time in terms of right ascension and declination. Observe this position when it is between the horizon and about 20 or 25 degrees elevation and some satellites should flare as this spot scan across their position on the geostationary arc. In theory, direct sunlight reflection should only be possible on two or three nights around the optimum date, but Paulo Cacellas observation (10 days after optimum time) suggests that atmospheric stray light and/or attitude tolerances may cause flares before or after this spell. Please be aware that these statements are based on minimum observational data, but I think that these observations could be quite interesting and opportunities are quite rare, so give it a try! It would appreciate feedback from you and both positive or negative observation reports! regards, Rainer Kresken