Pierre has sent these observations of 96-38B: 1996 Oct 14 seen leaving eclipse 05:04:19 UTC 05:04:23.15 RA 01h50.00m decl +58d45.10' 1950.0 naked eye 05:04:39.00 00 20.00 +88 54.00 1950.0 naked eye 05:04:52.76 13 53.40 +68 40.80 1950.0 50x16B and this elset: USA 125 r 1 23946U 96 38 B 96288.4424277 .07 2 23946 54.9660 36.0884 0002703 221.6437 138.5832 16.43895917 Using SGP4 I get: (ndot/2 and e set) 1 51.0524 -2.4043 33. Pierre Neirinck 2563 USA 125 r 1 23946U 96 38 B 96288.21200000 .07000000 00000-0 61625-3 0 01 2 23946 54.8302 36.5776 0002703 221.6437 215.9161 16.38469839 01 1 96 10 14 5 4 23.2 1 50.00 58.752 1950 0.5 1 96 10 14 5 4 39.0 0 20.00 88.900 1950 0.5 1 96 10 14 5 4 52.8 13 53.40 68.680 1950 1.0 0 0 1288 5 4 23.2 .0 1 49.15 58.746 1 50.00 58.752 .120 .006 .120 1288 5 4 39.0 .0 1 13.99 88.969 0 20.00 88.900-1.463 -.069 1.464 1288 5 4 52.8 .0 13 53.95 68.662 13 53.40 68.680 -.058 .018 .061 Rainer Kracht R.Kracht@t-online.de