Re: Phobos video of engine burn - Analysis

From: Carlos Bella (carlos.apodman@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 09 2011 - 12:07:10 UTC

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    I don't know, something strange with this video,
    
    In the video the object appear crosses entire sky but in Mogi das Cruzes (a
    city near São Paulo - *http://tinyurl.com/mogigeohack*) the predicted
    trajectory was very  similar to mine who live in São Paulo city:
    
    - http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/782/mogidascruzes.png
    
    Me and my wife focused our observations in the shadow phase of the
    trajectory, we saw nothing, nothing crosses in the direction of horizon
    north-northeast from 22:00 UT to 23:30 UT
    
    
    Best Regards
    Carlos Bella
    
    
    2011/11/9 satrack@libero.it <satrack@libero.it>
    
    > Along the predicted trajectory two bright stars were expected, which are
    > Altair
    > in Aquila and Deneb in Cygnus.
    >
    > Also in the video two bright stars can be spotted.
    >
    > The spacecraft was expected to be vertically below Altair at 22.57.08 UTC
    > and
    > vertically above Deneb at 22.57.47 UTC,
    > which is 39 seconds later.
    >
    > In the video the object is vertically aligned with the first star at the
    > video
    > time 00:22 and with the second star at 01:01
    > which is 39 seconds later as well.
    >
    > One thing that it is not consistent with the predicted trajectory is the
    > elevation of the object,
    > which should have passed under Altair and not above. (this trajectory
    > should
    > occur for an observer about 1.5 deg further North, always according to
    > predictons...)
    >
    > Here the two configurations:
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/VSFT-Phobos-Star1
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/VSFT-Phobos-Star2
    >
    >
    > Regards,
    > Simone
    >
    >
    > >----Messaggio originale----
    > >Da: satrack@libero.it
    > >Data: 9-nov-2011 10.15
    > >A: <hg5apz@gmail.com>, "Paul Salanitri"<paul.salanitri@gmail.com>,
    > <seesat-
    > l@satobs.org>
    > >Ogg: R: Re: Phobos-Grunt - serious problem reported
    > >
    > >At about time 01:00 of the video, the object appears above a bright star
    > that
    > >might be Deneb.
    > >
    > >Here my guess according to the predicted trajectory:
    > >
    > >http://tinyurl.com/VSFT-Phobos-BurnVideo1
    > >
    > >Regards,
    > >Simone
    > >
    > >>----Messaggio originale----
    > >>Da: hg5apz@gmail.com
    > >>Data: 9-nov-2011 9.39
    > >>A: "Paul Salanitri"<paul.salanitri@gmail.com>
    > >>Cc: <seesat-l@satobs.org>
    > >>Ogg: Re: Phobos-Grunt - serious problem reported
    > >>
    > >> Hi,
    > >>Are there any observations of the fireing on South America?
    > >>There is a link to a video on the satview.org page, and on the yutube
    > too,
    > >>http://www.satview.org/?sat_id=55500U
    > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INOwSWTHe20&feature=player_embedded
    > >>
    > >>made by Alexandre (Coelholoko) uploaded by the usrername to youtube
    > >>coelholokofilms about the "Phobos Engine Burne"
    > >>He published his coordinats, near Sao Paolo, there is with a correct
    > >>description, but there arenot time stamps on the video.
    > >>How can evaluate this document????
    > >>t.janos
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Paul Salanitri <paul.salanitri@gmail.
    > >com>wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> Phobos-Soil:
    > >>>
    > >>> Some indications are that it may be in "safe mode".  Let's hope.
    > >>>
    > >>> Would be passing observers in Ecuador at the moment - only visible if
    > there
    > >>> was an engine plume.
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