One flare seen twice, 830 miles apart

From: Tom Wagner (sciteach@mchsi.com)
Date: Thu Nov 23 2006 - 12:58:07 EST

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    Last Saturday I followed through with an idea I've had for a long time. That 
    is, coordinate with someone else the observing of one bright iridium flare 
    across a large distance. To determine where a specific flare would go after 
    it passed my place (moving south in the case) I used Heavens-Above and 
    Google Earth. The ground track was positioned through the Midwest US. The 
    flare I was interested in would occur off iridium 13 at 18:32:40 my local 
    time on Nov 22, 2006. The ground track for the satellite itself and the 
    light beam are not in the same place (obviously) and are not parallel (at 
    least at this time), I discovered. My technique was crude but it worked. [I 
    would appreciate input as to a service that provides the flare ground track 
    ready made.] I used the Heavens-Above satellite ground track to determine 
    how far over my observing position was from it. Using that information I 
    determined a position equally west of the ground track but near the Gulf of 
    Mexico, more than 800 miles south of me. I used Google Earth to get a 
    coordinate for that area then used Heavens-Above to see if the same flare 
    was visible down there. The position was too far west so, using 
    Heavens-Above I manually moved over in longitude step by step. After a few 
    adjustments I found a coordinate which would see the maximum brightness of 
    the same flare as I would see more than three minutes before.
    
    
    
    Using the two exact coordinates I drew a line through each on Google Earth 
    and upon close inspection I found that the line crossed through the east 
    side of Baton Rouge, LA. A jpg showing the two ground tracks for this event 
    can be found here: 
    http://img.geocaching.com/cache/log/d15a4bbf-177b-4e36-8c3f-8048b509b430.jpg
    
    
    
    The challenge was to contact someone in Baton Rouge there that would be 
    willing to watch for the same flare some 3 minutes 41 seconds after I saw 
    it. Alas, I knew of a way. I belong to a large organization of people that 
    use GPS receivers to play a game called geocaching. Most players hide what 
    are called geocaches. Each cache is listed at geocaching.com: 
    http://www.geocaching.com/  I only needed to look for geocaches in the Baton 
    Rouge area. There are plenty! Once I found the large list I perused the 
    profiles of the geocache owners. With that done I sent out an e-mail to at 
    least six people. I got all positive responses, one from a high school 
    physics teacher that got my invitation as a forward from one of the 
    geocachers.
    
    
    
    I know of two that watched last night with me; one was the teacher. [Most of 
    the others were traveling of turkey eve.]  This was a new experience for 
    both participants. As the time approached for me last night, I got on my 
    cell phone and called both guys in Louisiana. But beginning about a minute 
    before maximum for me I talked to only one. I began a blow by blow account 
    telling him what I was seeing. Then after I saw it, more than 3.5 minutes 
    later him I gave him a heads up. He accidentally missed it but his son and 
    others saw it. He looked up trying to see it ahead of the flare but the 
    light shone about 34 degrees above his south horizon.  He knows what to do 
    next time however.  Next Monday we (and even more participants) hope to 
    repeat this scenario with Iridium 52.
    
    
    
    Here is a quote of what the physics teacher saw.
    
    
    
    "WE SAW IT!  It was right on schedule; I clocked max brightness at 18:36:20. 
    According to HA, we were 7.4 km to the east of the track with an 
    estimated -5 magnitude and one second ahead of the predicted time.  It was 
    plenty bright. My kids loved it and now my son is Googling Iridium on his 
    own to find out more.  Cool.  Our position tonight was approx. 30.405°N, 
    90.913°W.  Now that I understand it better, we'll get dead on the track next 
    time for max brightness.  Thanks for sharing this with us.  Also, I'd love 
    to hear more about your satellite tracking curriculum some time.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Bruce"
    
    
    
    One thing I didn't mention was that I followed the ground track of the flare 
    northward from Baton Rouge looking for another town that it crossed. I saw 
    one in Missouri. When I zoomed in I discovered, to my surprise, that it 
    passed within a mile of my niece's place in Rolla!!!! What are the odds? She 
    would have participated in this event too had she not been on her way to 
    Waterloo for turkey dinner. Maybe next time.
    
    
    
    Here is a jpg showing the flare. I added important information to it to help 
    those that are going to look at another one next Monday to know what to 
    expect. 
    http://img.geocaching.com/cache/log/4160281f-3236-47f0-bc21-3c9c97e5ac56.jpg
    
    
    
    ****I have a question; will the same flare that occurs for me occur for 
    Baton Rouge off and on in the future?  I am thinking that because of the 
    inclination of the orbital plane and our coordinates on the Earth that this 
    will occur regularly.
    
    
    
    The details of the flare for me and Baton Rouge follows.
    
    
    
    Iridium 13
    
    1 24840U 97030E   06325.11076316  .00000026  00000-0  21253-5 0  4797
    2 24840 086.3965 163.8844 0002235 080.0002 280.1456 14.34219711493536
    
    
    
    Approximate distance between the two locations: 830 miles.
    
    Approximate time between the two locations: 3 min 41 sec
    
    
    
    My Location: My computer [Waterloo, IA] (42.4736°N, 92.3603°W)
    
    Local Time: Central Standard Time (GMT - 6:00)
    
    
    
    Date * Local Time * Intensity * Alt. * Azimuth * Satellite
    
    22 Nov * 18:32:40 * -7 * 34° * 163° (SSE) * Iridium 13
    
    
    
    Their Location: East side of Baton Rouge, LA (30.4510°N, 91.0000°W)
    
    Local Time: Central Standard Time (GMT - 6:00)
    
    Date * Local Time * Intensity * Alt. * Azimuth * Satellite
    
    22 Nov * 18:36:21 * -7 * 31° * 170° (S )/Iridium 13
    
    
    
    The next flare that I will try to share with them (from Iridium 52) will be 
    on 7t Nov at 18:15:07 their time.
    
    
    
    Happy Turkey day all those in the US!
    
    
    
    Tom  Iowa  USA
    
    
    
    PS  I am currently teaching the satellite observing curriculum I created. 
    One of my students showed up and observed the event with me. He will be 
    getting some extra credit!
    
    
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