Mr. Mehring, perhaps you are right as to what Björn meant, perhaps not. However, new rules have been implemented, they are no longer suggestions for discussion. See the rules for details. Second, the number of image posters has dropped by about 33%, in direct response to the new rules. If one or two more people decides to leave (we don't know if that will happen), then there will be about zero. As for mailboxes filling up with 'noise', a rule such as "image posts must contain [image] in the subject" would permit trivial machine filtering, so that's not a factor. Paul -----Original Message----- From: seesat-l-bounces+paulgrace=lookoutranch.com@satobs.org [mailto:seesat-l-bounces+paulgrace=lookoutranch.com@satobs.org] On Behalf Of Markus Mehring Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:58 To: seesat-l@satobs.org Subject: Re: last chance to fully receive Ralf Vandebergh's high-res sat images On Wed, 25 May 2011 10:43:27 -0700, you ("Paul Grace" <paulgrace@lookoutranch.com>) wrote: >The decency? It's somehow indecent to withhold photos? I think what Björn meant was that it would be nice to have a quick pointer in case there is new material. Considering English isn't his first language, I'd give him the benefit of doubt that "decency" isn't precisely the word he had in mind. This is an international list, and communication between members often happens under the complications of a language barrier, not to mention cultural differences regarding tone and style of expression, and then its perception on the other side. >May I remind everyone of the process that led us here? Some members of the >SeeSat mail list decided they want to create additional restrictions on any >uploaded photos, up to and including suggestions that all rights to the >images should be surrendered to the public domain!!! Suggestions are just that: merely suggestions. They were discussed and ultimately not implemented, so that's not a factor. After all, anyone who maybe wasn't thrilled about the proposed set of rules was welcome to speak up and offer input. SeeSat-L has a long history of maintaining a policy of being concise and to the point, without much ado and as little noise as possible. This, and the standard of reporting, is what has made the community output of this very much specialized niche so high-quality and successful. You can't please all the people all the time. Some people feel alienated by tight posting requirements, others feel alienated by too much noise in their e-mail inbox. We've had cases of both here in the past. >As a semi-professional photographer, I could not imagine submitting my work >under such restrictions. You get to have my raw images? Any sequence has >to include 30 seconds on either side of the capture? It's preposterous. We're dealing with a very special case of photography here, where post-processing of sequences of photos is more or less unavoidable. Knowing what and how the source material was prior to the processing, and what processing exactly had been applied, is important for the understanding of the final result. With that in mind, it is rather helpful to have a unified standard of reporting in place so that results are better understood and more comparable. Besides, the new policy doesn't state that those raw images have to be "surrendered" or made publicly available along with their rights or anything to that effect. It actually offers the loophole to just state that source data is "available upon request", which couldn't be much simpler. If anyone finds themselves unable to post according to such simple standards, then that's too bad but so be it. It's their choice. It surely won't stop them from their activities, and their results will have an audience no less. After all, only rather few of the people who take such hires satellite photos have in fact ever posted here, rules or no rules. _______________________________________________ Seesat-l mailing list http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/listinfo/seesat-l _______________________________________________ Seesat-l mailing list http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/listinfo/seesat-l
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