Observed the Titan objects again on morning of 15 may 96. Ted: Feel free to change my nomenclature on object numbers. I used your numbers as a starting point. Object #80000 I saw yesterday. Object #80001 was reported By Ron Coursen yesterday. Magnitude estimates are not perfect. Object #80000 still appeared steady and was as bright as 1 to 2 magnitude. The second object trailing the first was initially about 2 to 3 magnitudes fainter and did have a 6 to 10 second amplitude variation which was subtle. As it passed to the east, the period was about 2 seconds and for a few seconds may have been in the zero degree magnitude range (specular flashes?) Positions are J2000 and in HR:MIN:SEC or DEG:MIN:SEC as appropriate. Positional accuracy is in the order of +/- 1 arc min and time to +/- 0.2 second. The last #80001 position should be considered highly suspect (position wise) due to an unexplained observer brain infarction. (I messed up!). It does seem to confirm a similar inclination to the first object though. ( S declinations are negative; N = positive) Object TIME RA DEC 80000 10:11:23.4 19:17:12 22:16:40 S This was just east of Jupiter. 80001 10:14:27.9 18:59:47 22:36:00 S 80001 10:16:12.4 21:10:00 10:14:00 N 80001 10:18:21.7 00:51:45 40:33:40 N (this is the marginal observation. Use with skepticism) Using Skymap traces, Object 80000 needs to move about 0.5 degree east (may not equate to 0.5 degree RAAN shift). It is also about 55 seconds early compared to Ted's revised elements. Object 80001 is about 3 minutes behind 80001 (using same local elevation as the reference) and its path (near Jupiter) is about 2.5 degrees offset to the west (Northwest?). This is using local azimuth/elevation plots to measure angular differences and may have little to do with element set angles. My newbie question to the assembled experts here. Assuming that one of these objects is the payload and makes an orbit adjust (same inclination) just after I saw it. What can I expect as an arrival time/position one day later? Ron Lee 38.9478 N, 104.5614 W, 2073 meters (UT - 6 hrs)