Regarding ways of identifying unknowns observed, I'll "stick my neck out" and venture to propose that for newbies (and perhaps others) who have Web access and a browser that can handle forms, one possibly easier way of identifying at least some unknowns after the fact may be the Earth Satellite Ephemeris Service (either of two USA sites): http://marx.as.utexas.edu/sat.html http://www.chara.gsu.edu/sat.html I'm not sure yet but have inquired about how long after the fact the ESES will produce valid predictions. But all ESES requires is location, date(s), and a couple of other parameters (magnitude limit, morning and/or evening), and it provides what appear to me to be reasonably good predictions for quite a few objects. (There is some question with respect to the predicted magnitudes, but it seems to me that otherwise the ESES predictions are useful. I believe that a fairly large list of satellites is used, and recently I've noticed that at least some classified USA objects are now included.) I would suggest that everyone who intends to do regular observing would do well to get a program (Quicksat!) and (Molczan!) elements and learn to generate their own predictions, but ESES seems to me to be a quick and easy and reasonably accurate alternative for those who need or want it. Ed Cannon ecannon@mail.utexas.edu Austin, Texas 30.308N, 97.328W