The latest OIG elements each have a post-collision epoch Progress(?) or debris(?) 1 24845U 86017MB 97176.57062423 .00013654 00000-0 10217-3 0 11 2 24845 51.6204 43.7392 0064660 172.8575 191.5088 15.70230578 20 Mir 1 16609U 86017A 97176.82697457 .00124055 00000-0 15170-2 0 4057 2 16609 51.6537 42.4695 0005208 181.3358 178.7767 15.59484524648362 I _assume_ 24845 is Progress (or is it debris?) I have not been following Mir and Progress element sets lately, so I can't say offhand if these elements truly represent their post-collision orbits. These elements have Progress(?) leading Mir by about 7 minutes. Looks like good viewing opportunities for Australia and S. hemisphere. _______________________________________________________ Jim Varney jamesv@softcom.net Sacramento, CA 121^ 23' 54" W, 38^ 27' 28" N