hi all, this may be a bit premature, as I think we are at least 5 years (and probably closer to 10) from the first ares V launches. however, I'd really like to initiate a conversation comparing and contrasting the visibility, or rather, the expected magnitude (whilst in LEO) of the ares V "Earth Departure Stage" (EDS) and that of the saturn V (minus the S-IC stage, of course.) are there any participants who observed the saturns in LEO during the late '60s and early '70s (or skylab, for that matter?) are there any records of visible observations of these vehicles & their brightness? what can we expect as far as TLEs for these monsters, the ares Vs? the inclinations will need to be shallow, pretty much on the ecliptic (?) just to give everyone an idea of the scale of the ares V: http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/125170main_comparison_full.jpg I expect from the dimensions of this thing that it might outshine or at least be comparable to the ISS or shuttle and closer still to skylab's brightness? clear skies! stephan szyman chicago IL USA 41.6840N, 87.7000W; 188 msl ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Frequently Asked Questions, SeeSat-L archive: http://www.satobs.org/seesat/seesatindex.html
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