A few months ago someone said they would be interested in something to automatically detect when the sky is clear: very useful for satellite watchers in places with unpredictable skies. I did not reply at the time, partly because I was having trouble getting my second CSD (Clear Sky Detector) working. A recent article (Vol 110,3 2000 = Jun 2000) in the JBAA = Journal of the British Astronomical Association described a CSD (6 below), and summarised several previous methods (1 to 5): Num Author Method See 1 P.L.Manly Telescope pointed CUP 1995 Unusual telescopes at Polaris 2 H.E.Mostert Light reflected by JBAA 93(5) p205 (1983) cloud from streetlights 3 D.M.Brierley Temperature difference JBAA 78(3) p191 (1968) and between air & ground JBAA 85(1) p30 (1974) 4 M.C.Ashley & Cloud thermal radiation Proc Astron Soc Australia J.S.Jurcevic 9(2) p334-335 (1991) 5 - Satellite weather maps - 6 P.Miles Radiation upward JBAA 110,3 p143 (2000) Number 3 (1974 version) above uses 2 thermistors (which are resistors highly sensitive to temperature, typically 4% per deg C) as sensors, one close to the ground, and one about 1.5m above ground (with a roof to prevent it seeing too much sky). It is an improvement on the 1968 version. A few tests showed that a thermistor with a mirror underneath detects the sky, and one in a ventilated box detects air temperature. When it is cloudy, both are at the same temperature, but when it is clear the sky thermistor is about 4deg C colder. In my mark 1 CSD (1974) both are put one unit about 10cm big, with 3 wires going indoors. The mirror (aluminised plastic) was protected by a thin plastic cover which disintegrated and needed renewing every few months. A thicker plastic or glass cover prevented the CSD from working. A circuit of about 20 components whistled when the difference exceeded a chosen value. It lasted several years, after which the mirror was too corroded. I have almost completed a mark 2 CSD, with improvements. The sky thermistor is above a shiny aluminium sheet. The whistling circuit (about 20 components assembled by me) is replaced by a computer. A PC analog input is designed to go to a variable resistor in a joystick, with the variable pickoff input to the PC. Replace the joystick with the 2 thermistors in series, with the joining of the thermistors as the pickoff, and the PC can read the voltage of the join, which corresponds to a temperature difference: I will use the voltage corresponding to 2deg C difference. The only part I have not done is a program which will wake me at certain times only if the sky is clear. Miscellaneous thoughts and problems. (a) Make sure the resistance of the thermistors is not too low (might damage the PC) or high (measured voltage erratic). My personal opinion is that between 1Kohm and 100Kohm should be OK. (b) Check your thermistors by comparing them to a fixed (indoors) resistor, at several widely spaced temperatures. Test with both shielded from the sky, and with one exposed. (c) When testing thermistors, keep them (and your completed CSD) well away from any heat source. I wasted a lot of time because my thermistors were near a (closed) window. (d) My thermistors are quite large, about 2cm long and nearly 1cm diam. These take several minutes reacting to a change in sky. Smaller thermistors might be better. (e) It is convenient if the ratio of the resistances of the two thermistors is about the same (say within 5%) at all likely nighttime temperatures. If the discrepancy is not too large, it can probably be corrected by adding a resistance in series or parallel to one of the thermistors. Otherwise the PC will have compare each thermistor with a fixed resistor, and use your tables of test data to determine the temperature difference. Of the 6 methods above: Method 1 might be practical using a long tube to keep the weather away from the telescope lens. Method 4 has a rotating chopper, which might not survive long - see http://www.atnf.csiro.au/pasa/15_3/clay/paper/node2.html Method 5 is not up-to-date and is not automatic. Methods 4 and 6 have 50 to 100 electronic components, a bit complicated for me. Probably the best is to use both 2 and 3, since 2 is effectively a cloud detector. More details of method 3 (1974 version and my variation) and 6 available on request. Mike Waterman mike.waterman@marconi.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe from SeeSat-L by sending a message with 'unsubscribe' in the SUBJECT to SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org http://www.satellite.eu.org/seesat/seesatindex.html
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