Re: OT: older software in win environment

From: daniel crawford (djcunix@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 25 2013 - 20:05:13 UTC

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    "The real answer would be to write our tools in a non-OS specific manner."
    
    100% agree.  But that doesn't help folks that rely on  legacy applications.
    
    "one might check out ubuntu"...
    
    I'm a unix admin by vocation.  I use linux and varieties of *nix OS flavors
    daily for work and play.  The only reason that I picked W7 for the
    children's machines was because of Netflix. There are no native linux
    clients, one must use Wine.   I love the concept of WINE and have tried to
    use it with Ubuntu, Mint (our normal home distro), CentOS and several other
    linux distribution - from my perspective, using a VM or native OS is
    easier.
    
    I was very lucky this past week and got to sample my first Mac (Mavericks
    with Server). The first thing I did was install VM Fusion (a virtual server
    that works on Macs)   I put W7, XP and CentOS on it, just for fun - all
    worked well.   I liked it much...
    
    Way OT -Sorry.
    
    Merry HanaRamaQuansMas to all of you!
    
    -daniel
    
    
    
    
    
    
    On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 6:26 AM, David Tiller <dtiller@captechconsulting.com
    > wrote:
    
    > The real answer would be to write our tools in a non-OS specific manner.
    >
    > Java, Python, and Ruby come to mind.
    >
    > On Dec 25, 2013, at 1:23, "wkitty42@gmail.com" <wkitty42@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > On 12/24/2013 11:16 PM, daniel crawford wrote:
    > >> I have cheated with respect to making things 'work'.  Hardware is fairly
    > >> inexpensive if you wish to run XP.  I purchased both a desktop and
    > laptop today
    > >> for my children for about $250 - each came with XP licenses.
    > >
    > > that's a good thing... in a limited fashion ;)
    > >
    > >> I reinstalled both of the machines with W7 because for the most part, I
    > can get
    > >> things to work natively or with a couple of tweaks in 'compatibility'
    > mode.
    > >>
    > >> For the programs that I just cannot get to work under W7 - I virtualize
    > an
    > >> instance of the needed OS.
    > >
    > > one might check out ubuntu... i've recently upgraded my father from
    > vista 64
    > > (which was rebooting spontaneously more and more over recent times) to
    > kubuntu
    > > 12.03... the basic interface wasn't all that much different and for those
    > > winwhatever programs he required, we simply installed WINE (acronym for
    > WINE Is
    > > Not an Emulator) and then installed those win-based programs under it...
    > > converting his existing firefox and thunderbird installations was not
    > hard to
    > > handle and his other programs like PAF (genealogy) and Orbitron
    > (satellite
    > > tracking) were basically no-brainers... installing programs under WINE
    > allows
    > > one to choose one of several winwhatever versions... plus there's no
    > costly
    > > licensing mess to deal with... total cost? $0 on his existing
    > equipment...
    > >
    > >> XP is going away.  Right now Microsoft support is *ALMOST* non existent
    > for the
    > >> OS.  We must adapt.
    > >
    > > agreed... and that does not restrict us to running m$ operating systems
    > ;)
    > >
    > >> The answer is to ask the developers to make the tools available for the
    > current
    > >> Operating Systems.  It isn't going to happen in many cases so you
    > either have to
    > >> stay on XP (or whatever platform running) or adapt.  My adaption was to
    > make
    > >> some Virtual Machines specific for the tools.  It is a pain in the rear
    > - but it
    > >> works.
    > >
    > > one does what one has to :)  i have not played with VM tech even though
    > i have
    > > several licenses to a few of them... some things are just more important
    > and
    > > desirable... for 90% of my tasks, that entails real hardware instead of
    > virtual
    > > hardware but each has their own needs and desires ;)
    > >
    > >> There are many free solutions to create virtual machines for almost any
    > >> operating system.   They are pretty easy to configure too, and as long
    > as you
    > >> own the the OS you would be installing, you would be legal too.
    > >
    > > agreed 100% :)
    > >
    > >> Feel free to contact me offline if you have any specific questions on
    > >> virtualization.
    > >
    > > we (meaning my location) may very well do that at some time O:)
    > >
    > > thanks for your informative post! and happy holidays to you and yours :)
    > >
    > >> -Daniel Crawford
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM, wkitty42@gmail.com <mailto:
    > wkitty42@gmail.com>
    > >> <wkitty42@gmail.com <mailto:wkitty42@gmail.com>> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>    On 12/23/2013 7:19 AM, Greg Roberts wrote:
    > >>> (4) A little OT but see its being discussed at the moment. My new
    > laptop
    > >>> runs Windows 8 and I am the administrator but it refuses to even look
    > at
    > >>> various software I wrote using Power Basic - possibly because Windows
    > 8 is 64
    > >>> bit and Power Basic (because of its age! ) probably a lot less. Any
    > clues as
    > >>> to how this problem can be solved ?  The software runs under windows
    > XP with
    > >>> no problems. Its not serious as Im quite happy to continue runing XP
    > on some
    > >>> of my PC's -- one is still running Dos 6.5!
    > >>
    > >>    assuming that w7 and w8 are (kind of) like Vista, you may be able to
    > right click
    > >>    on the binary for those programs and set the compatibility to XP so
    > they will
    > >>    run in an XP environment...
    > >>
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