So far I have not detected anything. -----Original Message----- From: seesat-l-bounces+enigma12=maltanet.net@satobs.org [mailto:seesat-l-bounces+enigma12=maltanet.net@satobs.org] On Behalf Of seesat-l-request@satobs.org Sent: It-Tnejn, 17 ta' Diċembru 2012 13:00 To: seesat-l@satobs.org Subject: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 17 Send Seesat-l mailing list submissions to seesat-l@satobs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/listinfo/seesat-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to seesat-l-request@satobs.org You can reach the person managing the list at seesat-l-owner@satobs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Seesat-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ofeq-5 (Petter Aslaksen) 2. Optical 15 Dec 2012 Part 1 (Greg Roberts) 3. Optical 15 Dec 2012 Part 2 (Greg Roberts) 4. Unknowns 15 Dec 2012 (Greg Roberts) 5. Less said the better! (Greg Roberts) 6. Re: Less said the better! (Kevin Fetter) 7. Re: Less said the better! (Kevin Fetter) 8. Re: Less said the better! (Greg Roberts) 9. Re: Ofeq-5 (C. Bassa) 10. Re: Less said the better! (ronlee@pcisys.net) 11. RE: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16 (Joseph Chircop) 12. satobs dec 16 @ 8597 (Tony Beresford) 13. Re: Less said the better! (wkitty42@gmail.com) 14. North Korean Satellite (was: Re: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16) (wkitty42@gmail.com) 15. Re: North Korean Satellite (was: Re: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16) (KD7RVH) 16. 2012DEC16.OBS (Russell Eberst) 17. Optical 16 Dec 2012 (Greg Roberts) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:25:09 +0100 From: Petter Aslaksen <fluorgutten@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: Ofeq-5 To: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com> Cc: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <CAGy8K_o+f=g7d=E-Ec-FxGm_oo-w=TuZCuq2aCpwkfPi+14anA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you for your reply, trying to get my head around it, it needs a little maturation and contemplation I am stuck with my 18-200mm, 3.5-5.6f at the moment, however I will bring my 50mm next time, I bought it for indoor photos of family parties. Never thought it might be my most valuable lens for finding classified satellites! In Norway however, this one is never visible... so I guess I will have some other satellites to look for there. Thanks again! On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, C. Bassa <cgbsat@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Petter, > > On 16/12/12 06:39, Petter Aslaksen wrote: > > I see the elsets are old. Any suggestions on what to do? Picking up > > a retrograde satellite with my shotgun photograpy approach should be > > feasible, right? > > It is certainly feasible! It depends on how wide your field of view is > and how sensitive your camera and lens are. In an earlier post you > mentioned owning a 50mm F/1.4; this would be a good lens to use as it > is both very sensitive and has a large field of view. > > As for finding Ofeq-5, this satellite has not been seen for 630 days > so the orbital elements will no longer be accurate (both because of > drag, but also because of possible maneuvers). To find Ofeq-5 you will > have to perform a planar search. See > http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Jun-2005/0205.html for an explanation. > > To illustrate that post, here are 5 plots showing the movement of the > Ofeq 5 plane from your location at 31.7361N, 6.0422E for yesterday evening. > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1700.png > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1730.png > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1800.png > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1830.png > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1900.png > > Each of the numbered yellow/gray lines is prediction for an object in > the Ofeq 5 plane but with a different mean anomaly (the number > indicates the mean anomaly). The length of the line indicates the > movement of that object over the next 60s. When the line is yellow the > object is illuminated by the Sun; gray lines indicate they are in the > shadow of the Earth and hence not visible. > > To preform a planar search you will have to track the illuminated part > of the plane. Depending on the field of view you may have to > reposition your camera as often as every 10 or 15 minutes. > > I hope these suggestions make sense. > > Regards, > Cees > _______________________________________________ > Seesat-l mailing list > http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/listinfo/seesat-l > -- ** *Petter* *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/private/seesat-l/attachments/20121216/57df4925/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:38:25 +0200 From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net> Subject: Optical 15 Dec 2012 Part 1 To: <seesat-l@satobs.org> Cc: Willie Koorts <wpk@saao.ac.za>, Mike McCants <mmccants@prismnet.com>, Ted Molczan <ssl3molcz@rogers.com>, Pierre Neirinck <pierre-neirinck@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <D2600F6F78714EB6895956B32F418646@ASTROCOM> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Observations 15 Dec 2012 Part 1 ------------------------------------ Cosatrak 1 (Computerised satellite Tracking System). FLI ML8300M CCD camera with mechanical shutter + Trimble GPS Used with 135mm focal length f/2.8 TAMRON lens. Field of view 7.6 x 5.7 degrees. Images processed and measured manually. Site 0433 : Longitude 18.51294 deg East, Latitude -33.94058 deg, Elevation 10 metres-situated in Pinelands (Cape Town),South Africa FOR CLASSIFIED.TLE: ------------------------------------ 24680 96 072A 0433 G 20121215193450376 55 15 1051127-564250 19 24680 96 072A 0433 G 20121215193652760 55 15 0846398-542101 19 24680 96 072A 0433 G 20121215193929569 55 15 0550405-211007 19 24680 96 072A 0433 G 20121215194131387 55 15 0432208+163906 19 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121215184806967 55 15 1104236-633822 19 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121215184857513 55 15 0946298-514731 19 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121215184917777 55 15 0930197-470928 19 STRAYS SEEN: ------------------------- 24905 97 043C 0433 G 20121215194042634 55 15 0503090+041352 19 +051 05 NORTH KOREAN OBJECTS: ----------------------------------- KMS 3-2 39026 12 072A 0433 G 20121215202715345 55 15 2306165-510904 19 39026 12 072A 0433 G 20121215202756675 55 15 2346432-303903 19 39026 12 072A 0433 G 20121215202824244 55 15 0002429-163555 19 UNHA3 R/B 39027 12 072B 0433 G 20121215185459772 55 15 0810217-261747 19 +075 05 39027 12 072B 0433 G 20121215185644575 55 15 0707086-072453 19 +075 05 39027 12 072B 0433 G 20121215185711832 55 15 0652282-014533 19 +075 05 UNHA3 DEB 39028 12 072C 0433 G 20121215202143595 55 15 0030012-250306 19 +100 05 39028 12 072C 0433 G 20121215202204239 55 15 0037587-130924 19 +100 05 NOTES: ---------- (1) Purpose of observing session was to observe OTV3 and the North Korean objects. (2) It would appear that SPACETRACK has the KOREAN identities correct. The main satellite KMS 3-2 appears to be doing a regular tumble with a primary and secondary brightening. One bright flash to about mag +3 seen otherwise primary max about mag +6.5 and second maximum around mag +7 - +8 on high elevation western pass. The rocket appears more or less steady with small magnitude variations, around mag +7.5 at 10 degrees elevation in the east. Debri #39028 was sighted in four successive images when it briefly appeared at about mag +10 shortly after culmination high in the west. Debri #39029 was not seen at all. I will be able to observe these objects under more favourable phase angles over the next few days so hopefully will also see #39029. The SPACETRACK elements are accurate. (3) Now to measure the other 20 odd satellites observed :-((((( urghhhh Cheers Greg ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:26:02 +0200 From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net> Subject: Optical 15 Dec 2012 Part 2 To: <seesat-l@satobs.org> Cc: Willie Koorts <wpk@saao.ac.za>, Mike McCants <mmccants@prismnet.com>, Ted Molczan <ssl3molcz@rogers.com>, Pierre Neirinck <pierre-neirinck@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <A23945F3A1E34EF7B94481EE4CE3A1A7@ASTROCOM> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Observations 15 Dec 2012 Part 2 ------------------------------------ Cosatrak 1 (Computerised satellite Tracking System). FLI ML8300M CCD camera with mechanical shutter + Trimble GPS Used with 135mm focal length f/2.8 TAMRON lens. Field of view 7.6 x 5.7 degrees. Images processed and measured manually. Site 0433 : Longitude 18.51294 deg East, Latitude -33.94058 deg, Elevation 10 metres-situated in Pinelands (Cape Town),South Africa FOR CLASSFD.TLE: ----------------------------- 11389 79 050A 0433 F 20121215195559497 55 15 1027377-513640 19 11389 79 050A 0433 F 20121215195758125 55 15 0838001-432451 19 11389 79 050A 0433 F 20121215195903405 55 15 0735448-315005 19 11389 79 050A 0433 F 20121215200008466 55 15 0641399-145730 19 28500 04 050A 0433 F 20121215214356882 55 15 0127405-083705 19 28500 04 050A 0433 F 20121215215637970 55 15 0142003-081614 19 28500 04 050A 0433 F 20121215220158532 55 15 0148081-080643 19 UNKNOWN 1: --------------------- 99990 12 849A 0433 F 20121215195606129 55 15 1049406-514749 19 99990 12 849A 0433 F 20121215195756125 55 15 0859209-450824 19 99990 12 849A 0433 F 20121215195802033 55 15 0852383-442058 19 99990 12 849A 0433 F 20121215195901405 55 15 0745205-323307 19 99990 12 849A 0433 F 20121215195936760 55 15 0708000-221157 19 UNKNOWN 2 : ---------------- 99991 12 849B 0433 F 20121215195750239 55 15 0841147-431222 19 99991 12 849B 0433 F 20121215195758125 55 15 0845136-430008 19 99991 12 849B 0433 F 20121215195802033 55 15 0847437-425457 19 NOTES: ---------- (1) DEL4DEM #28500 recovered after being lost for some time. Gives a brief flash every now and then. Left camera on expected position for about 50 minutes and on examining images found 10 images with a flash recorded. (2) TWO unknowns found whilst tracking AMS4 - I must be doing something wrong but cant find matches 1st unknown was in field of view with AMS4 the entire pass tracked, starting as a trailer and slowly overtaking before disappearing in earths shadow a few seconds before AMS4, so looks like SSO at slightly lower altitude than AMS4. About the same magnitude and looked steady. If Im lucky it might be USA 186 which is currenly lost but that would be a pure fluke. The second unknown headed south as it crossed the ascending AMS4. At the time I though it might be EGS but on examining the images obtained the flashes are too precise/sharp and too regularly spaced - either 5 or 6 in the 4 second exposure. Magnitude around mag 7 - 8. Cheers Greg ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:59:43 +0200 From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net> Subject: Unknowns 15 Dec 2012 To: <seesat-l@satobs.org> Cc: Ted Molczan <ssl3molcz@rogers.com>, Mike McCants <mmccants@prismnet.com> Message-ID: <3AD304EFE04448269CE1A5C6CFD61D95@ASTROCOM> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi I knew something must be wrong!!! Ive just downloaded a new SPACETRACK full catalog - and immediately identified the unknowns as HELIOS 1 B and the second WAS EGS !!!! Now to find out why they did not show up in the full catalog I downloaded yesterday!!! Sorry for false alarm --- Cheers Greg ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:14:09 +0200 From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net> Subject: Less said the better! To: <seesat-l@satobs.org> Message-ID: <CB3D9FBBD1C24D34A172BF90AC5B8A78@ASTROCOM> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Im the ******* idiot ! For some reason the automatic loading of the SPACETRACK catalog into my GUIDE directory did not work and the file there was August 08,2012 so hence satellites not where they should be.... This must have occurred several times since August as this is an automated process so Ive always been using an old SPACETRACK file ! The automatic loading of the Classified satellites worked so those were okay Never trust a computer - especially mine! I actually hate the ****** things but unfortunately we need them! Cheers Greg ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:31:08 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Less said the better! To: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <1355671868.75762.YahooMailClassic@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- On Sun, 12/16/12, Greg Roberts <grr@telkomsa.net> wrote: > For some reason the automatic loading of the SPACETRACK > catalog into my GUIDE > directory did not work and the file there was August > 08,2012 so hence > satellites > not where they should be.... Interesting. I didn't know there was a option in guide to do that. Me, I dowload the Full Satellite Catalog file off spacetrack, and place it into a folder called sat. I delete the old file there, then unzip the new file. I then remame the file satellite.txt, and add the classfd stuff to it. I then run guide, and it use's the catalog file. That way I know, I am using current tle's, well except with classfd stuff. I rather be safe. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:36:27 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Less said the better! To: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <1355672187.11015.YahooMailClassic@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- On Sun, 12/16/12, Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Less said the better! > To: seesat-l@satobs.org > Received: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:31 AM > > > --- On Sun, 12/16/12, Greg Roberts <grr@telkomsa.net> > wrote: > > >? For some reason the automatic loading of the > SPACETRACK > > catalog into my GUIDE > >? directory did not work and the file there was > August > > 08,2012 so hence > > satellites > >? not where they should be.... > > > Interesting. I didn't know there was a option in guide to do > that. Ah I see why I was wondering. I see where you can download the SPACETRACK catalog into guide. I had seen that before, but it download's off a different site www.tle.info. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:58:43 +0200 From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net> Subject: Re: Less said the better! To: <kfetter@yahoo.com> Cc: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <5383680DD4AD42A7A245E5E6652E8CA3@ASTROCOM> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Kevin No its not done from inside GUIDE - I wrote a batch file that takes all the element files we have and combines them to have the latest elements. It then dumps this file into various directories on my PC - viz GUIDE, HEAVENSAT and APEX. For some reason - yet to be investigated - it made a slip up. I guess its time I had another look at my batch file that prepares the element sets..... So for the moment its operator error rather than GUIDE error :-)) I think its time I retired - Im getting old and senile:-)) Cheers Greg ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:38:02 +0000 From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Ofeq-5 To: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <50CE150A.2020706@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Petter, On 16/12/12 12:25, Petter Aslaksen wrote: > I am stuck with my 18-200mm, 3.5-5.6f at the moment, however I will > bring my 50mm next time, I bought it for indoor photos of family > parties. Probably the best thing to do is to test how well your current lens works. If the lens is still F/3.5 around 50mm set it to that and try to catch some of the brighter classified and catalogued objects. As Greg and Marco mentioned, 10s exposures at 800 ISO or higher should sufficient. With these test observations you can get experience in identifying the objects you see, and start measuring positions. > In Norway however, this one is never visible... so I guess I will have > some other satellites to look for there. At 63 deg Northern latitude you are in a good position to observe classified objects in sun synchronous orbits. Some of these orbits are oriented with respect to the sun such that they pass over locations around local noon and local midnight. This means that for a large range of latitudes the object is in the shadow on the night passes for most of the year. Only in the local summer will the object be visible; we tend to lose them for the rest of the year. Your position in Norway should allow you to see objects in such orbits from earlier in the spring to later in the fall compared to most other observers. Regards, Cees ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:11:39 -0700 From: <ronlee@pcisys.net> Subject: Re: Less said the better! To: <seesat-l@satobs.org> Message-ID: <201212161911.qBGJBefv016258@smtp1.pcisys.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On tle.info, the Complete TLE file is not even close to a complete element set file. Ron Lee ___________________________________ Sent using PCI Broadband webmail ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:12:41 +0100 From: "Joseph Chircop" <Enigma12@Maltanet.net> Subject: RE: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16 To: <seesat-l@satobs.org> Message-ID: <00af01cddbc1$525adcf0$f71096d0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all, while I was searching the net, for information on the download frequency for KMS 3-12 . I had found the following website on internet http://www.northkoreatech.org/2012/12/15/tracking-north-koreas-satellite/ Regards Joseph -----Original Message----- From: seesat-l-bounces+enigma12=maltanet.net@satobs.org [mailto:seesat-l-bounces+enigma12=maltanet.net@satobs.org] On Behalf Of seesat-l-request@satobs.org Sent: Il-?add, 16 ta' Di?embru 2012 13:00 To: seesat-l@satobs.org Subject: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16 Send Seesat-l mailing list submissions to seesat-l@satobs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/listinfo/seesat-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to seesat-l-request@satobs.org You can reach the person managing the list at seesat-l-owner@satobs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Seesat-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. ISS orbit boost on Dec 16 (Kevin Fetter) 2. Re: Using a DSLR (Greg Roberts) 3. ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16 Analysis (Scott Tilley) 4. Re: ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16 Analysis (Scott Tilley) 5. CB Obs December 15, 2012 (C. Bassa) 6. Using a DSLR (Petter Aslaksen) 7. Ofeq-5 (Petter Aslaksen) 8. High altitude unknown (Rick Baldridge) 9. Re: High altitude unknown (C. Bassa) 10. Re: Ofeq-5 (C. Bassa) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:49:47 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com> Subject: ISS orbit boost on Dec 16 To: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <1355582987.71451.YahooMailClassic@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/SSapplications/Post/JavaSSOP/orbit/ISS/SVPOST.html TWO LINE MEAN ELEMENT SET ISS 1 25544U 98067A 12351.42101783 .00016717 00000-0 10270-3 0 9027 2 25544 51.6463 296.2557 0016542 45.7282 314.5224 15.52126163 6323 ISS 1 25544U 98067A 12351.61418416 .00016717 00000-0 10270-3 0 9033 2 25544 51.6484 295.2966 0017179 49.2428 311.0212 15.51872064 6356 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:55:58 +0200 From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net> Subject: Re: Using a DSLR To: <W.H@mburg.org> Cc: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <E7AE77869B0B44F0B6F518DE671A8CA2@ASTROCOM> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi My Nikon D3100 DSLR has the GPS option - its an "extra" item. The camera makes note of long/latitude/altitude and time UTC but it looks like only to integer seconds. Cheers Greg ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:16:55 -0800 From: Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net> Subject: ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16 Analysis To: SeeSat <seesat-l@satobs.org> Message-ID: <50CCF6D7.4040707@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed NOSS 3-1 (A) and (C) are experiencing a family reunion presently. The two s/c are very close together as NOSS 3-1 (C) drifts by relative to NOSS 3-1 (A). As noted by the obs below. The behaviour of modifying the MM of one of the group of NOSS type space craft is being actively used by the Yaogan 16 mission to form the trio of s/c in late January. Yaogan 9 used the same technique at the start of its mission. It appears two of the s/c in the Yaogan 16 group maneuvered to sync their MM soon after launch. The other increased its and is drifting relative to the other two now and will rejoin them in about a month... This family reunion seems planned for about 0000UTC on January 6th. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15916951/SATOBS/yaogan_commissioning.pdf Dec 13th: 28096 03 054B 8049 G 20121213025518966 17 25 1102753+695609 37 E 28096 03 054B 8049 G 20121213025523938 17 25 1052046+694666 37 S 26907 01 040C 8049 G 20121213032341552 17 25 1200668+671223 37 S 26907 01 040C 8049 G 20121213032348942 17 25 1145612+670319 37 S 26907 01 040C 8049 G 20121213032357470 17 25 1128680+664571 37 S Dec 14th: 20691 90 050C 8049 G 20121214143136363 17 25 2311332+693688 37 S 20691 90 050C 8049 G 20121214143145473 17 25 2249983+682931 37 S 20691 90 050C 8049 G 20121214143151860 17 25 2236823+673756 37 S 20692 90 050D 8049 G 20121214143309608 17 25 2330195+693215 37 S 20692 90 050D 8049 G 20121214143316177 17 25 2313574+685133 37 S 20692 90 050D 8049 G 20121214143325585 17 25 2252336+674457 37 S 20692 90 050D 8049 G 20121214143331911 17 25 2239704+665536 37 S 20642 90 050E 8049 G 20121214143510056 17 25 2323528+700165 37 S 20642 90 050E 8049 G 20121214143515730 17 25 2309424+692412 37 S 20642 90 050E 8049 G 20121214143526477 17 25 2245728+680409 37 S Dec 15th: 28096 03 054B 8049 G 20121215012530667 17 25 1021378+681315 37 S 28096 03 054B 8049 G 20121215012537588 17 25 1007944+680075 37 S 28096 03 054B 8049 G 20121215012547547 17 25 0949096+673513 37 S 28096 03 054B 8049 G 20121215012555737 17 25 0934417+670813 37 S 26905 01 040A 8049 G 20121215015306850 17 25 1047300+665076 37 S 26905 01 040A 8049 G 20121215015311526 17 25 1038121+663849 37 S 26907 01 040C 8049 G 20121215015306885 17 25 1048432+664037 37 S 26907 01 040C 8049 G 20121215015311120 17 25 1040156+663011 37 S 26905 01 040A 8049 G 20121215015314942 17 25 1031749+662803 37 S Regards, Scott Tilley ROBERTS CREEK 1: 8049 ST 49.4348 -123.6685 40. Scott Tilley ROBERTS CREEK 2: 8048 ST 49.4175 -123.6420 1. Scott Tilley ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:34:40 -0800 From: Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net> Subject: Re: ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16 Analysis To: SeeSat <seesat-l@satobs.org> Message-ID: <50CCFB00.6080003@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 12/15/2012 2:16 PM, Scott Tilley wrote: > 26905 01 040A 8049 G 20121215015306850 17 25 1047300+665076 37 S Please disregard the above obs it is erroneous. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:47:16 +0000 From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com> Subject: CB Obs December 15, 2012 To: Seesat-L <SeeSat-L@satobs.org> Message-ID: <CAL65GdfOT+e=jmbAdE-P0wgLcWKt=fxJ-sJ+is9KM-DoActQuA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There were thin clouds but they did not interfere much with the evening LEO window. 07816 75 043A 4553 F 20121215174405497 17 25 0839764+684102 37 S 07816 75 043A 4553 F 20121215174411045 17 25 0832730+695271 37 S 07816 75 043A 4553 F 20121215174421057 17 25 0816893+720489 37 S 10502 77 112A 4553 F 20121215171254221 17 25 0915803+681002 37 S 10502 77 112A 4553 F 20121215171258521 17 25 0859105+662304 37 S 10502 77 112A 4553 F 20121215171303161 17 25 0844334+642763 37 S 13844 83 008E 4553 F 20121215171831017 17 25 0701408+545649 37 S 13844 83 008E 4553 F 20121215171841038 17 25 0646996+525080 37 S 13844 83 008E 4553 F 20121215171851018 17 25 0634480+504334 37 S 13845 83 008F 4553 F 20121215175814617 17 25 0649059+634083 37 S 13845 83 008F 4553 F 20121215175821049 17 25 0635313+614697 37 S 13845 83 008F 4553 F 20121215175831029 17 25 0617499+584476 37 S 13874 83 008H 4553 F 20121215173111051 17 25 0716161+595778 37 S 13874 83 008H 4553 F 20121215173121051 17 25 0656397+574082 37 S 23862 96 029D 4553 F 20121215174711037 17 25 0346320+580451 37 S 23862 96 029D 4553 F 20121215174721043 17 25 0407869+572291 37 S 23908 96 029C 4553 F 20121215183341041 17 25 0657878+725807 37 S 23908 96 029C 4553 F 20121215183351021 17 25 0708427+702988 37 S 23908 96 029C 4553 F 20121215183401041 17 25 0716291+680780 37 S 26905 01 040A 4553 F 20121215180155646 17 25 0800636+621688 37 S 26905 01 040A 4553 F 20121215180201035 17 25 0755447+612178 37 S 26905 01 040A 4553 F 20121215180211035 17 25 0746691+593930 37 S 26905 01 040A 4553 F 20121215180221036 17 25 0739069+575720 37 S 26905 01 040A 4553 F 20121215180231036 17 25 0732405+561647 37 S 26907 01 040C 4553 F 20121215180134296 17 25 0758224+620880 37 S 26907 01 040C 4553 F 20121215180141036 17 25 0751724+605951 37 S 26907 01 040C 4553 F 20121215180151027 17 25 0743052+591648 37 S 26907 01 040C 4553 F 20121215180201035 17 25 0735483+573461 37 S 26907 01 040C 4553 F 20121215180208086 17 25 0730836+562338 37 S 28096 03 054B 4553 F 20121215173355810 17 25 0748059+685907 37 S 28096 03 054B 4553 F 20121215173401042 17 25 0740009+680930 37 S 28096 03 054B 4553 F 20121215173411049 17 25 0726239+663220 37 S 28096 03 054B 4553 F 20121215173421049 17 25 0714372+645140 37 S 28096 03 054B 4553 F 20121215173428228 17 25 0707030+633867 37 S 37162 10 046A 4553 F 20121215182934543 17 25 0447748+550366 37 S 37162 10 046A 4553 F 20121215182941024 17 25 0438992+561883 37 S 37162 10 046A 4553 F 20121215182951023 17 25 0423835+581270 37 S 99039 12 850A 4553 F 20121215174306325 17 25 0823578+702845 37 I 99039 12 850A 4553 F 20121215174313604 17 25 0852701+694911 37 I 99039 12 850A 4553 F 20121215174315284 17 25 0858881+693804 37 I ---------------------------------------------------------------- Setup: Watec 902H2 video, 50mm F/1.8, NTP, Nexstar SLT mount IOD format: http://www.satobs.org/position/IODformat.html COSPAR 4553: 53.3199N, 2.2438W, 86m (WGS84) ------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTES: ------ (1) As Scott Tilley noted, NOSS 3-1 (A) [26905/01040A] and (C) [26907/01040C] are having a family reunion. Tonight they were close enough to be captured together in a single frame: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/2012-12-15T18%3A01%3A56.055.fits.png (2) An unknown (99039) in a sun synchronous orbit was seen. The first point is from a very brief flash, the second two points are from a flare: see http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/2012-12-15T17%3A43%3A06.089.fits.png An approximate circular orbit estimate for this object gives: 1 99039U 12350.73836162 .00000000 00000-0 50000-4 0 09 2 99039 98.3828 6.3239 0000000 0.0000 60.9573 14.76072211 04 Regards, Cees ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 06:23:21 +0100 From: Petter Aslaksen <fluorgutten@googlemail.com> Subject: Using a DSLR To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org Message-ID: <CAGy8K_pw4g=z=PTgdWhnKrGNdYPRvnLYYvXs5fADG2xk3+Bqmw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah I did. Took it all the way to 10x, the moons were easily visible on the display. I did not know about the digital zoom function, but it is obviously excellent for satellite/astrophotography, so thanks a lot. Petter On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, George Roberts <yy@gr5.org> wrote: > Wonderful tips, tested out the live view zoom on my EOS 500D with > Jupiter >> in focus yesterday, and it made it easy to focus very accurately. >> > > Did you press the + button for a digital zoom in on jupiter for extra > good focusing? > > Once it's focused I stop using live view because it slows down the > ability to take pictures and wastes battery power. > > - George Roberts > > -- ** *Petter* *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E* -- ** *Petter* *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/private/seesat-l/attachments/20121216/30cc7d22/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:39:02 +0100 From: Petter Aslaksen <fluorgutten@googlemail.com> Subject: Ofeq-5 To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org Message-ID: <CAGy8K_rLYMNoe3G5rHqZ9aYXSE2qQgW7HU3hWvc56OynpMfNOg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello all, I have used Heavens-above.com to get a feel for the satellites I am likely to pick up in this location, and it seems I am in a prime location for spotting the Ofeq-5. I have tried looking for and photographing Ofeq-5 two evenings in a row, without success. Yesterday it was even supposed to have a visible pass close to zenith, but I got nothing, even when photographing wide-angle continuous 5-second exposures 5 minutes before and after the anticipated pass. I see the elsets are old. Any suggestions on what to do? Picking up a retrograde satellite with my shotgun photograpy approach should be feasible, right? -- ** *Petter* *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/private/seesat-l/attachments/20121216/20a38dcc/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:35:28 -0800 From: "Rick Baldridge" <rickbaldridge@comcast.net> Subject: High altitude unknown To: "SeeSat-L" <seesat-l@satobs.org> Message-ID: <000f01cddb5f$ef2cf750$cd86e5f0$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Put together a time-lapse video tonight of the Geminid Meteor Shower, I noticed a VERY slow moving object near the Pleiades - evidently a very high altitude satellite. Video is at: http://youtu.be/By7kMWIRxvg Satellite appears at the 1:07 mark on the video -- just below the Pleiades, west of the Hyades heading SW to NE. Attained about mag 5.0 from rough measurements. My location 37.262, -121.977 Alt 72m the object becomes visible at 10:59pm PST December 13th 2012 (06:59 UT Dec 14) and is last visible at 11:05pm. Object shows on 24 frames I took at 15 second intervals (6 minutes). Video is rendered 2 frames (1/15 sec) per 15 second photo, or a 225 time speed increase from normal. (Meteors do show up as very brief flashes.) Can someone ID this? Thanks in advance. Rick Baldridge Campbell, CA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/private/seesat-l/attachments/20121215/4ac635a9/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:29:28 +0000 From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com> Subject: Re: High altitude unknown To: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <50CDA288.2010902@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Rick, This looks to be NAVSTAR 39 [24320/96056A], which you saw just before it went into eclipse at 7:05UT. This is a GPS satellite and was about 21800 km distant at the time. It is known to flash; Marco Langbroek observed this satellite earlier this year: http://sattrackcam.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/flashing-gps-satellite-navstar-39-usa.html Regards, Cees ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:30:04 +0000 From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Ofeq-5 To: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <50CDB0BC.4060102@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Petter, On 16/12/12 06:39, Petter Aslaksen wrote: > I see the elsets are old. Any suggestions on what to do? Picking up a > retrograde satellite with my shotgun photograpy approach should be > feasible, right? It is certainly feasible! It depends on how wide your field of view is and how sensitive your camera and lens are. In an earlier post you mentioned owning a 50mm F/1.4; this would be a good lens to use as it is both very sensitive and has a large field of view. As for finding Ofeq-5, this satellite has not been seen for 630 days so the orbital elements will no longer be accurate (both because of drag, but also because of possible maneuvers). To find Ofeq-5 you will have to perform a planar search. See http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Jun-2005/0205.html for an explanation. To illustrate that post, here are 5 plots showing the movement of the Ofeq 5 plane from your location at 31.7361N, 6.0422E for yesterday evening. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1700.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1730.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1800.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1830.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1900.png Each of the numbered yellow/gray lines is prediction for an object in the Ofeq 5 plane but with a different mean anomaly (the number indicates the mean anomaly). The length of the line indicates the movement of that object over the next 60s. When the line is yellow the object is illuminated by the Sun; gray lines indicate they are in the shadow of the Earth and hence not visible. To preform a planar search you will have to track the illuminated part of the plane. Depending on the field of view you may have to reposition your camera as often as every 10 or 15 minutes. I hope these suggestions make sense. Regards, Cees ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Seesat-l mailing list http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/listinfo/seesat-l End of Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16 **************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:09:08 +1030 From: Tony Beresford <dberesford@adam.com.au> Subject: satobs dec 16 @ 8597 To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20121217090721.037af2e8@adam.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed satobs.org/position/IODformat.html explains coding 24680 96 072A 8597 G 20121216113721600 27 25 0522600-024700 48 S+040 05 Tony Beresford Cospar 8597 -34.9638 138.6333E 100m asl ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:31:04 -0500 From: "wkitty42@gmail.com" <wkitty42@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Less said the better! To: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <50CE83E8.9000608@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 12/16/2012 14:11, ronlee@pcisys.net wrote: > On tle.info, the Complete TLE file is not even close to a complete element set file. IIRC, their TLE lists are essentially the celestrak.com lists... i don't know when tle.info updates them or where they are pulled from, though... ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:41:49 -0500 From: "wkitty42@gmail.com" <wkitty42@gmail.com> Subject: North Korean Satellite (was: Re: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16) To: seesat-l@satobs.org Message-ID: <50CE866D.7040304@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed NOTE: i've changed the subject line to something more sensible ;) On 12/16/2012 14:12, Joseph Chircop wrote: > Hi all, > while I was searching the net, for information on the download frequency for KMS 3-12 . I had found the following website on internet > > http://www.northkoreatech.org/2012/12/15/tracking-north-koreas-satellite/ interesting read there... not much more than we already knew but still interesting... i'm wondering if there are any other HAMs on this list who may be listening to see if they can detect the bird... personally, i'm suspecting that it is inoperable but no one will know for sure unless some radio traffic is picked up from it... > > > Regards Joseph [ TRIM digest body :/ ] ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:45:31 -0800 From: KD7RVH <kd7rvh@gmail.com> Subject: Re: North Korean Satellite (was: Re: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16) To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org Message-ID: <CAMJFjD0mPRoTOsgVS=Ufdo-+gPoZkfDsCWfkSJm2-AvKsUkrag@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just had a 79 degree pass and heard nothing on 468.0, 468.25, or 479.0 MHz. I either couldn't pull it out of the noise or it's not there. > i'm wondering if there are any other HAMs on this list who may be listening to > see if they can detect the bird... personally, i'm suspecting that it is > inoperable but no one will know for sure unless some radio traffic is picked up > from it... ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:28:13 +0000 From: Russell Eberst <eberst@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: 2012DEC16.OBS To: Ted Molczan <tedmolczan@rogers.com>, Peter Wakelin <peterwakelin@talktalk.net>, Pierre NEIRINCK <pierre-neirinck@wanadoo.fr>, Mike McCants <mmccants@prismnet.com>, Greg Roberts <grr@telkomsa.net>, Seesat List <SeeSat-L@satobs.org>, Bjoern Gimle <bjorn.gimle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50CED79D.3030507@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed SATOBS 2420 1212 0.211 1204 16 0602901 171332.93 034852+310109 5.8 5.8 0 S 0402101 172008.13 055050+554306 6.2 6.2 0 S 7504301 172221.41 045057+551129 6.9 6.9 0 S 8304401 172755.69 054306+500015 3.0 3.0 0 S 0104002 172859.68 013106+585834 5.7 5.7 0 S 8300801 173156.49 025307+510306 7.6 7.6 0 S 7711205 173532.68 150017+715745 5.7 5.7 0 S 7711205 173604.23 093353+702931 6.8 6.8 0 S 7711204 174017.30 132027+720827 5.5 5.5 0 S 1004601 174835.05 235618+320533 4.2 4.2 0 S 8200101 175556.10 050147+465001 6.6 6.6 0 S 7711201 175954.68 153412+520946 6.8 6.8 0 S 7711201 180028.77 130609+625626 6.5 6.5 0 S 9803205 180901.45 081138+603202 7.2 7.2 0 S 8300805 182041.94 030331+635451 7.6 7.6 0 S 9100907 182048.09 025414+641207 5.2 8.5 0 F 999 Total observations (2012): 5331 best wishes, Russell Eberst 55.9486N, 3.1383W, 150 feet = 46 metres above MSL ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:31:07 +0200 From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net> Subject: Optical 16 Dec 2012 To: <seesat-l@satobs.org> Cc: Willie Koorts <wpk@saao.ac.za>, Mike McCants <mmccants@prismnet.com>, Ted Molczan <ssl3molcz@rogers.com>, Pierre Neirinck <pierre-neirinck@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <42625000815747DF91764BA4C2FB0C9B@ASTROCOM> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Observations 16 Dec 2012 Part 1 ------------------------------------ Cosatrak 1 (Computerised satellite Tracking System). FLI ML8300M CCD camera with mechanical shutter + Trimble GPS Used with 135mm focal length f/2.8 TAMRON lens. Field of view 7.6 x 5.7 degrees. Images processed and measured manually. Site 0433 : Longitude 18.51294 deg East, Latitude -33.94058 deg, Elevation 10 metres-situated in Pinelands (Cape Town),South Africa FOR CLASSFD.TLE: ------------------------ 22639 93 026B 0433 G 20121216185712040 55 15 0435212-810643 19 22639 93 026B 0433 G 20121216185938805 55 15 0430233-233227 19 22639 93 026B 0433 G 20121216190159727 55 15 0440421+165536 19 23031 94 017B 0433 G 20121216203313626 55 15 2239061-212624 19 23031 94 017B 0433 G 20121216203430817 55 15 2106464-381002 19 24680 96 072A 0433 G 20121216193118115 55 15 1014229-550612 19 24680 96 072A 0433 G 20121216193412315 55 15 0710324-381016 19 24680 96 072A 0433 G 20121216193718436 55 15 0452368+152840 19 25725 99 023B 0433 G 20121216205246467 55 15 2336587-085025 19 25725 99 023B 0433 G 20121216205437826 55 15 0008216-112844 19 25725 99 023B 0433 G 20121216205849808 55 15 0126345-162621 19 36105 09 066B 0433 G 20121216194223465 55 15 0944548-395521 19 +055 05 36105 09 066B 0433 G 20121216194317156 55 15 0903008-332859 19 36105 09 066B 0433 G 20121216194406512 55 15 0820253-243106 19 +045 05 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121216191309936 55 15 1244057-705233 19 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121216191329920 55 15 1123296-670922 19 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121216191339694 55 15 1054253-643610 19 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121216191413987 55 15 0951216-541434 19 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121216191448200 55 15 0921190-440355 19 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121216204731203 55 15 2106500-430422 19 39025 12 071A 0433 G 20121216204737554 55 15 2109593-441124 19 STRAYS SEEN: ------------------- 03346 68 069B 0433 G 20121216205849808 55 15 0125502-161838 19 04784 70 102B 0433 G 20121216191319724 55 15 1119300-663453 19 +065 05 12054 80 089A 0433 G 20121216191448200 55 15 0907288-375604 19 12836 81 091B 0433 G 20121216193639316 55 15 0516058+024627 19 16182 85 097B 0433 G 20121216194406512 55 15 0840347-252304 19 18161 87 057B 0433 G 20121216190130356 55 15 0431293+111548 19 19337 88 064B 0433 G 20121216191750003 55 15 1019280-543901 19 20791 90 081D 0433 G 20121216205437826 55 15 0015363-124305 19 24906 97 043D 0433 G 20121216201700938 55 15 1647302-733353 19 25438 98 048B 0433 G 20121216202105370 55 15 0058223-122134 19 +052 05 27374 02 005C 0433 G 20121216201643288 55 15 1616199-723059 19 36835 10 038B 0433 G 20121216194926298 55 15 0038090-054902 19 37743 11 033E 0433 G 20121216204246213 55 15 2106222-450139 19 NORTH KOREAN OBJECTS: ------------------------- 39026 98 048B 0433 G 20121216201829640 55 15 1838280-801110 19 39026 98 048B 0433 G 20121216202105370 55 15 0046258-152057 19 39027 12 072B 0433 G 20121216185037998 55 15 0704546-032520 19 39027 12 072B 0433 G 20121216202607641 55 15 0024368-095540 19 NOTES: -------- (1) Prime purpose of session was OTV3 and North Korean objects. (2) North Korean objects C and D not seen so must be small/faint. The rocket is basically steady with small variations whilst the primary satellite appears to have a period with maxima abou every 16 seconds and a secondary smaller maxima in between the primary maxima. No flash was seen this time. (3) I still have observations from 15 Dec 2012 to process - where I observed the same object on the 16th December I will not be processing the obs made on the 15th December. Cheers Greg ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Seesat-l mailing list http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/listinfo/seesat-l End of Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 17 **************************************** _______________________________________________ Seesat-l mailing list http://mailman.satobs.org/mailman/listinfo/seesat-l
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