Re: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 6

From: Leo Enright via Seesat-l <seesat-l_at_satobs.org>
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 12:46:29 +0000
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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Last GPS 2Fsatellite launch on Feb 5 (Robert Holdsworth)
  2. Journalist looking for help / sat observation (Karl Urban)
  3. WGS 5 and Milstar 1 obs (Kevin Fetter)
  4. BY F 020516 (Brad Young)
  5. Edgar Mitchell, Sixth man to walk on the Moon passes at 85
     (Skywayinc_at_aol.com)
  6. unid sat obs (Kevin Fetter)
  7. RE: North Korean Unha-3? Launch estimation (Jon .)
  8. 4541   SATOBS  05 FEB 2016   ORS 1. (alberto rango)
  9. Re: unid sat obs (Mike McCants)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 07:17:29 +1300
From: Robert Holdsworth <robbonz_at_gmail.com>
To: Seesat-L <SeeSat-L_at_satobs.org>
Subject: Re: Last GPS 2Fsatellite launch on Feb 5
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Also it was around dawn here so Australia may have been in a more
favorable position.

Robert

> On 6 February 2016 at 06:00, Robert Holdsworth <robbonz_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Clouded out here.
> On standby to explain UFO reports!
> 
> Robert
> Wainuiomata
> New Zealand
> 41.244 South
> 174.946 East
> 
>> On 6/02/2016 2:50 AM, "C. Bassa via Seesat-l" <seesat-l_at_satobs.org> wrote:
>> 
>> GPS IIF12 was launched on time at 13:38UTC today.
>> 
>> Here is an estimated transfer orbit:
>> 1 84001U 16900A   16036.70538155  .00000000  00000-0  00000-0 0    02
>> 2 84001  54.9889 240.6721 6029017  96.1467 180.1187  4.05702263    03
>> 
>> At 16:55UTC the Centaur upper stage will reach apogee and perform the
>> circularization burn, with separation around 17:01UTC. Observers in
>> Australia and New Zealand are well placed to view the circularization
>> burn, spacecraft separation and most likely the fueldump of the
>> Centaur upper stage.
>> 
>> A similar observation, though from a Delta IV upperstage, was observed
>> with the GPS IIF05 launch:
>> 
>> http://sattrackcam.blogspot.nl/2014/02/mystery-object-in-alaska-sky-night-feb.html
>> 
>> Regards,
>>    Cees
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 20:27:39 +0100
From: Karl Urban <nl_at_pikarl.de>
To: seesat-l_at_satobs.org
Subject: Journalist looking for help / sat observation
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Dear satellite enthusiasts,

I hope you can help me:

I am science journalist based in Germany, currently working on the topic
"conflict in space". I want to tell the story of how some countries are
apperently developing methods to make some kind of "satellite warfare" -
or at least hinder satellite operations of a potential enemy. Which
might be quite dangerous if mankind wants to have satellites in the
future - and since space debris is already a big issue.

I want to focus on some of the bigger incidents by the bigger space
powers (China, US, Russia). But I also want to tell things about more
secret developments [1].

Since official statements are difficult to get I want to focus on this
very interesting aspect of space: nothing is invisible. There are
experts as you (in this list) who observe the sky - and you can find out
a lot about maneuvres conducted in orbit.

Therefore I am looking for someone able and willing to tell me of the
work of "satellite spotters". This person should have some experience,
e.g. having found some satellites / some of their otherwise unpublished
maneuvres.

As a bonus, this person should live on a place I could visit, so a place
somewhere around Germany would be great. I would bring just a
microphone, so no pictures / and no camera.

My background: My journalistic work focuses on space and geoscience
topics. I work for several public radio stations, major newspapers and
online media.

I take any help I could get: suggestions of interesting people and also
interesting facts. Thank you!

Best,
Karl

[1] e.g.
http://spacenews.com/maneuvering-russian-satellite-has-everyones-attention/

-- 
Karl Urban 
Wissenschaftsjournalist | Science Journalist
T?bingen, Germany 

urban_at_die-fachwerkstatt.de
Tel. +49 (0) 7472 949 2021
Mobil +49 (0) 1522 873 1208
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?ffentlicher PGP/GPG-Schl?ssel:
http://die-fachwerkstatt.de/gpg/urban.pub.asc 




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 21:05:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter_at_yahoo.com>
To: <SeeSat-L_at_satobs.org>
Subject: WGS 5 and Milstar 1 obs
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39168 13 024A   1775 G 20160205012812000 18 25 0706794-063907 37 S
39168 13 024A   1775 G 20160205014323000 18 25 0721997-063838 37 S
22988 94 009A   1775 G 20160205015245000 18 25 0829434+030922 37 S
22988 94 009A   1775 G 20160205015811000 18 25 0834925+032001 37 S


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 00:50:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brad Young <allenb_young_at_yahoo.com>
To: Seesat List <seesat-l_at_satobs.org>
Subject: BY F 020516
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FPAS12,40881,R8336A,20160205,011730,0.5s,-,36.1,-95.9,201,FUBG,WEn,k,1s,7,inv,G1CkNNT,N,-,-,-,055.6 0.5 006 11.12 F,-,-,-; 
FPAS12,41192,R8336B,20160205,015338,1s,-,36.1,-95.9,201,SUTG,-,k,69s,9,k,G1CkNNN,N,-,-,-,-,-,-,-; 
FPAS12,07625,R8336C,20160205,020209,1s,-,36.1,-95.9,201,SUTG,-,k,34s,11,k,G1CkNNN,N,-,-,-,-,-,-,-; 
FPAS12,40877,R8336D,20160205,021952,1s,-,36.1,-95.9,201,SUBG,-,k,33s,9,k,G1CkNNN,N,-,-,-,-,-,-,-;
Brad Young Bright:20 x 80 Celestron binoculars parallelogram tripod Dim:22" f/4.2 UC Obsession _at_ 100x Numbers above and methods explained at: http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Jan-2015/0074.html COSPAR 8336 =TULSA1 +36.139208,-95.983429 660ft, 201m COSPAR 8335 =TULSA2 +35.8311  -96.1411 1083ft, 330m


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 19:55:32 -0500
From: Skywayinc_at_aol.com
To: SeeSat-L_at_satobs.org
Subject: Edgar Mitchell, Sixth man to walk on the Moon passes at 85
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http://www.americaspace.com/?p=91365  



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 08:24:03 +0000 (UTC)
From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter_at_yahoo.com>
To: <SeeSat-L_at_satobs.org>
Subject: unid sat obs
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99999 99 999A   1775 G 20160206235728000 18 25 0431608+011727 37 S
99999 99 999A   1775 G 20160206235741000 18 25 0453639+063622 37 S
99999 99 999A   1775 G 20160206235813000 18 25 0603093+204510 37 S


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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 13:14:53 +0100
From: "Jon ." <jonmikelk_at_gmail.com>
To: Seesat List <seesat-l_at_satobs.org>, Ted Molczan
   <ssl3molcz_at_rogers.com>, "C. Bassa" <cgbsat_at_gmail.com>, Greg Roberts
   <grr_at_telkomsa.net>, Mike McCants <mmccants_at_prismnet.com>
Subject: RE: North Korean Unha-3? Launch estimation
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Hello all;

Bob Christy nicely estimated a better launch time. His guess is Feb. 07 at
00:26 UTC. Here his notes:

http://www.zarya.info/GoForLaunch.php#NK

Revised post:

HIDROPACs points the launch window starting february 7th till february 24,
with a daily launch window starting 22:30 UTC and finishing at 03:30 UTC of
the next day.
The launch is suposed that will be from Sohae Launch Station (39.659996,
124.705303). In theory, DPRK can launch from Musudan-ri too (40.855762?,
129.665907?), but this second option can be discarded as NOTAMs does not
match with this launch site and because the rocket would overfly Japanese
territory.

Today some news agencies like Reuters, Xinhua News and CNN pointed that
launch will occur between 7 and 14 of february:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35511647

Unha-3 is a three stage rocket, all of them uses hipergolic fuel and it can
carry nearly 100 Kg to a sun-syncronous, 500Km circular orbit launched from
Sohae. The first stage is based on the Nodong missile, that is based
previously on the soviet Scud-D. The second stage is based on a R-27
missile. The third stage has been developed by North Korea.
The previous launch occurred the 2012/12/12 at 0:51 UTC. The payload
reached a 492x585, 97.404 degree orbit. The third stage and other two
debris pieces were cataloged.
The satellite (KMS 3-2) was in nearly 1:15 resonance, but drifting on RAAN.

Back to next launch, the initial launch trajectory of the first and second
stage will be like this screenshot generated using Google Earth:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32266013/unha-32016launch/2.JPG
<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32266013/unha-32016launch/1.JPG>

The small green box is the 1st stage impact zone, the yellow one the impact
of the payload fairing and the red one corresponds to the impact zone of
the second stage.
As in the previous launch, the third stage is expected to reach orbit with
the payload.

During the first seconds of third stage burn, the rocket is expected to
make a dog-leg maneuver, to reach the desired 97.40 degree inclination,
just like in the previous launch. In the image above, the dog-leg sohuld
occur between first stage impact zone and fairing impact zone.

Launch time:

As mentioned before, Bob Christy pointed that most probable launch time can
be starting February 07 at 00:26 UTC:


Unha-3 estimation F7 00:26                               491 X 585 km
1 70005U 16505A   16038.02569445 0.00000000  00000-0  00000+0 0    06
2 70005  97.4047  85.1777 0067405 176.5313 349.5073 15.08261084    04

Every day the rocket should lift-off about 28 seconds before for achieve
this Descending Node. So, here is a guess for next days:

Unha-3 estimation F8 00:25:32                            491 X 585 km
1 70006U 16506A   16039.02537037 0.00000000  00000-0  00000+0 0    01
2 70006  97.4047  86.0467 0067405 176.5313 349.5073 15.08261084    01

Unha-3 estimation F9 00:25:04                            491 X 585 km
1 70007U 16506A   16040.02504630 0.00000000  00000-0  00000+0 0    07
2 70007  97.4047  86.9158 0067405 176.5313 349.5073 15.08261084    08

Will be updating these till liftoff occurs.

References:

http://danielmarin.naukas.com/2012/12/12/primer-lanzamiento-espacial-de-corea-del-norte-unha-3/http://sattrackcam.blogspot.nl/2016/02/north-koreas-upcoming-satellite-launch.html



Jon.

-- 
Jon, COSPAR 6242, 42.9453, -2.82839, 623m, Bitoriano, Basque Country.


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:13:49 +0100
From: "alberto rango" <alberto.rango_at_tin.it>
To: "Seesat List" <SeeSat-L_at_satobs.org>
Subject: 4541   SATOBS  05 FEB 2016   ORS 1.
Message-ID: <000001d160e8$9b35ab80$d1a10280$_at_rango_at_tin.it>
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37728 11 029A   4541 P 20160205183143150 17 25 0138930-211482 18 S+070 05 

Alberto Rango, Roma,  4541  41?.9668N  012?.4545E  80 mt.




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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:53:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike McCants <mmccants_at_prismnet.com>
To: seesat-l_at_satobs.org
Subject: Re: unid sat obs
Message-ID: <201602061753.u16Hr4bX091886_at_fnord.prismnet.com>

Kevin Fetter posted three observations of an object in a 63 degree orbit.

My guess is that this is NOSS 2 (A).

Unfortunately, it has not been observed since last May.
The drag during the last 9 months could have varied quite
a bit from what was observed at that time.

Here are three elsets with different mean motions.
The time uncertainty could be 3 or 4 minutes per day.

Mike McCants

NOSS 2 (A)
1 10502U 77112A   16037.98727022 0.00017000  00000-0  26856-3 0    01
2 10502  63.3118  35.8590 0905877 101.1032 258.8968 13.88013455    00

NOSS 2 (A)
1 10502U 77112A   16037.98731481 0.00020000  00000-0  31445-3 0    09
2 10502  63.3118  35.8279 0891460 101.1093 258.8907 13.91229583    01

NOSS 2 (A)
1 10502U 77112A   16037.98725809 0.00028000  00000-0  28948-3 0    08
2 10502  63.3118  35.8069 0910424 103.1296 256.8704 13.93911960    09




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