Thanks to Alan, Russell and Pierre for these elements: From: Alan Pickup <alan@wingar.demon.co.uk> Eberst <eberst@cableinet.co.uk> writes >Elements by Pierre for unidentified Geostationary Transfer orbit object: >Standard mag about +3 Here are the elements converted to tle format - the perigee looks rather low... UnID GTO object 17713 x 74 km 1 99000U 99 000 A 97102.73314920 .00507116 00000-0 24797-4 0 00 2 99000 26.5285 71.1780 5774835 336.6701 5.3747 4.60046890 00 OBSERVATIONS: 74.23552 40.28089 129. JAY RESPLER St yr mo dy hr mn sec RaH min dec epch Sat-Name 5 97 04 15 3 36 10.0 11 45.2 15.60 1950 UnID GTO obj 5 97 04 15 3 53 53.0 13 02.7 13.47 1950 UnID GTO obj 5 97 04 15 4 04 06.5 13 30.3 12.12 1950 UnID GTO obj PREDICTIONS: *** 1997 Apr 14 Mon evening *** Times are PM EDT *** 2024 529 QUICKSAT H M S Tim Azi ElC Dir Mag Dys F Hgt Shd Rng R A Dec RCS Name 11 37 37 1.0 193 65C 278 25.1 2 2 58483865 6082 1148 15.5 UnID GTO objec 40.283 74.233 129. JAY RESPLER 1950 13.0 8 HIGHFLY *** 1997 Apr 14/15 Mon evening/Tue morning *** Times are EDT Hrs Min Alt Azi Mag Hgt R A Dec Range 99000 UnID GTO obje M 3.5 ELDY 3 M2 5071 << OBS. MAG.>> 11 37 65 195 8.6 5813 11 44.7 15.6 6048 7.9 11 55 62 163 9.1 7540 13 .6 13.7 7842 8.0 12 5 60 155 9.3 8331 13 29.8 12.1 8710 8.8 This gives average InMag of 2.7 1st 2 obs were with a scope. Last obs through binoculars. Jay Respler -- Details of how to get on the Satellite Observer Mail List, satellite elements, prediction programs and other satellite information, at the Visual Satellite Observers Home Page: http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/sat/satintro.html -- JRespler@InJersey.com Satellite Tracker * Early Typewriter Collector Freehold, New Jersey