Walter Nissen dk058@cleveland.freenet.edu asked: (re: STS-74 and Mir post undocking) >The purpose of this exercise is not to beat you around the head until you >agree that those who didn't see the satellites know more about what the >observer saw than the observer does. I'm merely arguing that there seems to >be considerable doubt about the identifications. Agreed, determining that one satellite has to be the shuttle just because it's dimmer/brighter than Mir is a shaky proposition at best. >Nobody has sent me better elsets (hint, hint). If we don't get some soon, we >should start looking around. Also, I've received no comments about the >discriminatory value of the observed colors. Looking through my keps archive the best post-undocking elements were actually posed to the seesat listserver: Ted Molczan said: >Below are the predicted element sets required after the undocking, which >took place this morning. Assuming that the separation burn and two orbit >adjustment burns go as planned, after 14:30 UTC, the shuttle's orbit >will be as shown below. There are no additional shuttle manoeuvres >scheduled before deorbit on Monday. Mir has not manoeuvred. > >Mir Complex post undocking >1 16609U 86017A 95322.45642709 .00003885 00000-0 46559-4 0 9179 >2 16609 51.6410 104.9926 0002556 336.7720 23.3319 15.58152580557006 > >STS 74 after OA1 and OA2 burns >1 23714U 95061A 95322.64808599 .00019322 00000-0 20677-3 0 9192 >2 23714 51.6450 104.0230 0009137 266.4267 93.5852 15.75497495 977 > >These elements were taken from the shuttle web page: >http://shuttle.nasa.gov Philip Chien, Earth News - space writer and consultant PCHIEN@IDS.NET __ __^__ __________ | \ +---/ \---+ (========= |____\___________ +---\_____/---+ // >____)| | \__ \ \______//___ >/ |________| \ [ _____\ >|____________________\ \_______/ Roger, go at throttle up CHR$(32) the final frontier